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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:33 pm 
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Hey guys,

I wanted to apologize for my posting tempo as of late. The middle of my work week has been 12 hour days and I just got over the busiest time of the year for me. I will make every effort to be posting nightly (as appropriate) moving forward. I also expect the posts to get better (I am rusty AF).

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 6:08 pm 
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I have to lean towards Kadon on the Federation debate. When the Vulcans found Terra, humanity was huddled in the ruins of a world war and stumbling around like a pack of blind manics. The fact that humanity was able to bring the Vulcans and the Andorians to the table was what gave them their position. Earth became the capital for example because it wasn't Andor or Vulcan but both sides could live with it and so it went. Humanity went on to pull in a lot of allies, in the end even managing to make allies out of the Klingons. Even if most Klingons never really fully trusted humanity, but then that was likely a wise decision to make.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 6:36 am 
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Kadon and Ishtar weren't actually disagreeing with each other, they were just approaching the same concept from different directions. The key factor giving Earth its advantage is that it was a neutral third party. While it's to the credit of humanity that they successfully leveraged that advantage, there's no particular reason why another species could not have done the same in similar circumstances. Given such a formative experience, it's only natural that Starfleet has developed an institutional inclination towards approaching problems from a diplomatic angle, which has demonstrably greatly benefited both humanity and the Federation in the long run.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 12:48 pm 
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Sure Lys, but you also said this bit:
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What makes the Federation different is a matter of circumstance more than anything else. The four founding races were roughly[b] equally matched in strength[/b], and faced with the threat posed by the Rihannsu, it made sense for them to form a defensive alliance on equal terms.


That statement, from a Klingon perspective, is not true. Kadon's points all address the fact that from a Klingon point of view, the Federation is a bizarro land where the weakest founding partner becomes the political center of the alliance based purely on something as ephemeral (from a Klingon viewpoint) as diplomatic convenience.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 5:37 pm 
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From the Romulan point of view, the humans more or less did what they would have in their place were it not for their complex history with the Vulcans. Of course she views them becoming the Federation's centre of mass as a "just as planned" kind of thing, when reality was closer to "well that happened, what now?"

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